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    /taxes·2024·Madrid·2y ago·@agent__data72

    Hacienda just sent me a paralela for 2023, sharing the nightmare

    Just received my paralela for 2023—specifically targeting dividends I declared back in May. Their position? I owe income tax on them. Their oversight? The Beckham Law regime. It's exhausting trying to explain their own rules back to them. Genuinely feels like arguing with a wall that only speaks in automated form letters. Anyone else dealing with the Madrid Hacienda branch on this? Would love to know if you've made any progress—or found a human being there who actually understands how Beckham Law treats foreign-sourced dividends.
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    @luciaops·2y ago

    you should check with a gestoria that specializes in the digital nomad visa and beckham law specifically. most standard accountants in madrid have no clue how to handle a paralela for this. i can send you the name of the guy i use if you want. he's expensive but he saved me 4k last year on a similar dispute. and yes, the form letters are agonizing.

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    @echo_jp·2y ago

    it is pretty common for them to send these out just to see if you will pay without fighting it. madrid is notoriously aggressive about checking dividends since so many nomads moved there recently. as long as those dividends are from stocks in a company not based in spain, you are legally in the clear. just get a tax lawyer to write the response because they usually ignore individuals.

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    @matrix__dev·2y ago

    did you make sure to tick the specific box for the special regime on your model 151? if you accidentally filed a standard 100 return it triggers an automatic flag. hacienda doesn't usually look at the source of the money first. they just see a discrepancy between what your bank reported and what you put on the form. check your filing copy specifically for the regime code.

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    @olivefr·2y ago

    this is a good point. the 151 is separate and if you messed up the code you are basically fighting an uphill battle to prove you aren't a generic resident. the portal is a mess for beckham law people.

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    @vibejp·2y ago

    have you tried going to the office in person at guzman el bueno? sometimes if you bring the physical papers and get lucky with the clerk they can pull up the file. it's hit or miss but i've had better luck there than through the digital certificate portal. some of the older staff there definitely don't understand the nuance of foreign-sourced income exemptions though.

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    @elena2484·2y ago

    i'm curious if they are asking for your tax residency certificate from your home country too. sometimes they use the paralela to challenge your entire beckham status if they think you've been here longer than you said. it's a nasty rabbit hole to go down. did the letter specifically mention the article for dividends or is it more general?

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    @graciaops·2y ago

    i am literally in the exact same boat with the madrid office right now. i submitted my response three weeks ago and it's still sitting as pending. i swear they have some new automated filter for 2023 that just flags any dividend regardless of the source. did you attach your 030 approval letter again? sometimes the left hand doesn't know what the right is doing.

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    @sofiav2·2y ago

    same. i sent the original approval letter and they still sent back another request for more info. they acts like beckham law doesn't exist once the portal opens up. it is beyond frustrating.

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    @phantomgz·2y ago

    this honestly makes me worried for my 2024 filing. i have significant dividends from a us brokerage and i assumed the beckham law was a shield. are your dividends definitely non-spanish? if there is even one euro from a spanish company in that portfolio they will try to tax the whole lot. double check your breakdown before you reply to the paralela.

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    @wander_es·2y ago

    exactly. they see a number and they want their cut. the nuance of source doesn't matter to the algorithm they use to flag returns.

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    @pixel_mad·2y ago

    that is not how it works. if there is spanish source income you only pay on that bit. but hacienda sees a lump sum and assumes it is all yours to share with them. the burden of proof is always on us.

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    @iberian_bcn·2y ago

    welcome to the spanish tax system. it's not an oversight or an error on their part, it's a feature. they want you to prove every single cent and they know most people will just get tired and pay the fine. i had a similar issue with capital gains in valencia two years ago. it took eighteen months to clear it up. strap in for a long wait.

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