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    /banking·2024·Bilbao·1y ago·@alcalax

    Wise account flagged after Hacienda paid my refund into it

    This just happened to me last week and I'm still reeling. My Wise account got flagged, locked even, after the *Hacienda* here in Bilbao paid my tax refund directly into it. I’m a digital nomad visa holder and had been using Wise for pretty much everything since I arrived in Spain in March 2023, including receiving my income from my US clients. I filed my first Spanish tax return in October and was due a refund of about 850 euros. I figured Wise was fine for receiving it. Big mistake. On November 15th, I got an email from Wise saying there was unusual activity and my account was temporarily frozen. When I logged in, it said I needed to provide documents regarding the source of a recent deposit. Of course, it was the Hacienda refund, which had cleared on November 14th. I uploaded a screenshot of my tax return filing confirmation showing the refund amount and the *Justificante de la Devolución* from the Hacienda website. I also wrote a detailed explanation. It's been stuck in review ever since. I've heard nothing back except automated messages saying they're experiencing high volumes. My money is just… there, inaccessible. I'm so annoyed because I was planning to use that refund for my November rent, which is due in a couple of days. Now I’m scrambling to get funds from my US bank. Wish I’d known this was a risk. Has anyone else experienced this with Wise and government refunds in Spain?
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    @matrixops49·1y ago

    wait i thought wise gave you a belgian iban now for euro accounts. if the hacienda is sending money to a belgian account for a resident in bilbao it probably looks like a massive red flag to the automated systems at wise. they are probably wondering why the spanish government is sending you money if you aren't using a spanish bank. it is a total headache but you just have to wait for the compliance officer to wake up. hopefully your landlord is cool about the delay.

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    @phantomde·1y ago

    you should check the expat groups on facebook for bilbao because i remember seeing someone else mention this exact thing last month. i think there is a specific issue with how the hacienda mentions the transfer description that triggers the wise bots. it is ridiculous because it is literally the government sending money. how much more legitimate can a source of funds be? i would be calling wise every single morning until someone actually looks at that justificante you uploaded.

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    @elenaops6·1y ago

    not to be that person but why would you risk your rent money on a tax refund. government payments are notoriously slow and prone to getting stuck in the plumbing of digital banks. wise is a startup at heart and their compliance is all ai based now. you are basically stuck in a loop until a human gets around to it. i moved to bilbao back in 2022 and learned the hard way to keep a few thousand in a traditional bricks and mortar bank just in case wise decided to lock me out.

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    @pep_es·1y ago

    that is a bit harsh. 850 euros is a lot for a refund and most people would expect it to be fine. the issue is we are sold this dream that wise is a replacement for banking when it clearly is not. it is a secondary tool. lesson learned for the op i guess.

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    @ines23·1y ago

    that is exactly why i kept my bbva account open even with the fees. hacienda does not play nice with neobanks and i have heard of wise freezing accounts for "fraud sweeps" the second they see a government transfer. hope you got it sorted out fast.

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    @nachode55·1y ago

    bbva is a headache too but at least they have branches in bilbao where you can shout at a human if they lock your funds. wise support is just a chatbot loop.

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    @inesmad65·1y ago

    have you tried calling their help line or just the chat. usually the chat is useless and they just give you a script. ask to speak to the specialized verification team. also make sure your documents are in pdf format and not just phone photos because they often reject low quality images without telling you why. i really hope you get your money for rent but you should definitely look into getting a revolut account with a spanish iban if you don't want a big bank. at least that is recognized locally.

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    @nomadops·1y ago

    did they ask you for the actual tax return document to unlock it? i am moving to bilbao next month and was planning to use wise for everything. guess i need to look into santander or laboralkutxa instead.

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    @nomadnomad11·1y ago

    i had the same thing happen with a smaller refund last year. it took wise nearly three weeks to clear the restriction. the support is basically non-existent these days which is a nightmare when you have rent due. you might want to try reaching out to their twitter team because sometimes that gets a human eyes on the documents faster than the portal does. for the future just get a digital account with openbank or something similar. it is free and it is officially spanish.

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    @vibe_v2·1y ago

    this is why i always tell people the dnv life is simpler if you just pay the monthly fee for a traditional bank. wise is great for currency exchange but i would never trust them with my residence or tax stuff in Spain. did they give you a timeline for the review?

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    @chuecaibz·1y ago

    it is usually 48 hours but his post says three weeks. that is a long time to be locked out of your cash.

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    @agent_fr23·1y ago

    i am in bilbao too and had a similar issue with revolut. i ended up opening an account at kutxabank just to have a local presence for the tax office. the digital banks are great until they are not. thanks for the heads up on the three week delay.

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    @pep_tnf49·1y ago

    is kutxabank easy for english speakers? i might switch.

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    @phantom__nomad76·1y ago

    you should check the bank of spain regulations on this. neobanks are under huge pressure right now to flag anything that looks like money laundering. a random deposit from hacienda often triggers those flags because their systems are tuned for regular payroll, not erratic tax refunds. best of luck getting it back.

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    @diego__nomad·1y ago

    thanks for sharing this. the advice on this sub is often way too optimistic about using fintech for everything. spain is still a very old school country when it comes to paper trails and physical banks. sorry you had to deal with that mess for three weeks.

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    @ines_fr·1y ago

    the same thing happened to me last year. it took them twelve days to verify that the money was actually from the tax agency. i think they have some automated trigger for anything over a certain amount coming from a government iban. it is super annoying when you are trying to pay rent. alcorta or any local physical bank is way safer for official stuff.

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    @chueca_z·1y ago

    honestly this was a huge risk. wise is essentially a money transfer service and not a full spanish bank which means the hacienda systems sometimes don't play nice with them. i am surprise they even let you input a non-spanish iban for a refund since they usually demand a proper account with an entity on the bank of spain registry. you really should have opened a bbva or santander account as soon as you moved to bilbao. it makes the whole residency paper trail way cleaner.

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    @drift__data·1y ago

    they actually do accept some foreign ibans now because of eu regulations against iban discrimination. the problem isn't the tax office. it is wise's compliance department being paranoid about anything that looks like a government subsidy or tax rebate from a foreign state. they are terrified of money laundering rules.

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    @agent_us53·1y ago

    this is why i always tell people arriving on the dnv to get a local bank immediately. wise is great for converting your dollars to euros but it shouldn't be your primary account for dealing with the state. the hacienda in the basque country can be even more specific about their rules too. i am curious if you used your pinto nif or your tie number on the return because that sometimes triggers these flags if they don't match exactly with what wise has on file.

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    @phantomio·1y ago

    bilbao follows the bizkaia regional rules which are slightly different from the rest of spain anyway. i used a sabadell account for my refund and it was in my balance forty eight hours later with zero questions asked. definitely worth the monthly fee just to avoid this level of stress.

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